Gary said,

March 30, 2007 @ 11:50 am · Edit
According to the FDA, an unnamed DRY pet food company also received a shipment of this supposedly tainted Chinese wheat gluten (if that is actually the cause of all this).
Does anybody have any information on which company that is? I realize that many feel it’s a good idea to avoid wheat products altogether. But, my cats really enjoy, and have become visibly heathlier by eating, Royal Canin Light 37 dry food. I’d rather not switch, if possible.

Jaycee said,

March 30, 2007 @ 11:58 am · Edit
I can’t believe they won’t disclose that information…we can only speculate at this point what brand it is. There are rumors, but that’s it. My guess is *IF* they disclose the dry food brand that *may* be affected, then it would be possible to trace the supplier of the wheat source, too. Perhaps this supplier also sells a lot of other products to human food? That’s all speculation on my part, but who is to say that some of this won’t be found in the human supply? The lack of information is leading me to believe there is a LOT more information that the government does not want us to know. Again, speculation on my behalf.
I have not heard Royal Canin brought up, FWIW.

Robin said,

March 30, 2007 @ 12:26 pm · Edit
Interesting that a list is printed and someone did all that work. Why is Menu Foods so evil now? I feed my dog Nutro Max dry and always will. The dry food is SAFE and it has been stressed over and over again that dry food was not part of the recall. From what I understand the poison was found in the ingredients NOT the plant (I could be wrong here). I am really sorry pets have gotten sick and died from the recalled food but I think we need to concentrate on those food companies that buy their ingredients from foreign countries (outside of Canada or the US) instead of targeting Menu Foods as an evil entity. We really don’t know the whole truth yet…maybe we never will. No food is 100% risk free…even raw food diets have their downfalls.
JMHO.
Robin & Belle

Sarah said,

March 30, 2007 @ 12:33 pm · Edit
re: human food-the new press release from this morning says, FWIW, that the human food supply is not affected. That was something I had thought of a few days ago since the source of all this seems to not be named.
March 30, 2007 @ 12:43 pm · Edit
A few of my colleagues are in Atlantic City right now at the annual pet industry trade show, this recall is THE topic throughout the show and the contamination of dry pet food has been mentioned, when I get more specific information I will share.
Oh, and I didn’t mean to spark any kind of buzz of rivaling pet food companies on this board, I’m a concerned pet owner just like the rest of you. It’s definitely a fine line to walk at a time like this, but one I walk willingly for the same reason that if I had a cure for cancer I would post it on the appropriate forums.
And Evy, if you are going to praise me for having “integrity”, try and follow suit and service the people with beneficial information, not misleading claims about meat and bone meal. I agree with a lot of what you said about the small guys in the industry having to fight harder, but when you don’t have the financial/marketing strength of a giant, you’d better at least have a heckuva sling to bring em down.
AAFCO Definition of Bone Meal: (steamed) dried and ground product sterilized by cooking undecomposed bones with steam under pressure. Grease, gelatin and meat fiber may or may not be removed.
AAFCO Definition of Meat Meal: the rendered product from mammal tissues, exclusive of blood, hair, hoof, horn, hide trimmings, manure, stomach and rumen contents except in such amounts as may occur unavoidably in good processing practices.
Dried Beet Pulp swells to nearly 10x it’s original size when exposed to moisture (i.e. digestion). This causes a slowing in the normal digestive process and thus stool formation is affected. A sure way to tell if something is wrong with your pet is by looking at their stool, Beet Pulp hides this and serves little nutritional value to boot.
And one more thing to readers: Yes, I’m biased, but I care about the health of pets in general more than an extra dollar, I only wish to share info. Other great foods are Canidae and California Natural amongst others. I share these names freely even though they are in direct competition with us because good food is good food. In fact, if you want a longer list of great food you can feed your pet, look no further than the February issues of The Whole Dog Journal, those guys know exactly what they’re doing.

Ruthe said,

March 30, 2007 @ 12:55 pm · Edit
Could the cans themselves or the packaging be implicated in the recall?
A short time ago someone sent me an article about how pop top canned food can pose a thyroid danger to your cat due to the CHEMICALS LINING THE POP TOPS (the article was from http://thyroid.about.com/b/a/ 257333.htm).
Is it possible that the FDA should be testing the pop tops too? Maybe there is a melamine connection here.
For dry food, is there dioxin, etc. in the paper packaging that may impact the food?

Anna said,

March 30, 2007 @ 12:56 pm · Edit
Any good cat publications out there?
Anna

Mary Kelley said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:00 pm · Edit
A message to Taeki’s Friend: I’m sorry to hear about your cat. How old was he?
March 30, 2007 @ 1:01 pm · Edit
Hey Anna,
The Whole Cat Journal ended publication in 2003, but I’ll ask around and do some digging for you and give you the consensus. The best is to find journals that don’t accept advertising because they are the most compassionate on non-biased

Anna said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:04 pm · Edit
Michael, would you mind addressing why Back to Basics chose to use corn as an ingredient for cat food?
Thanks in advance.
Anna

Marie said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:06 pm · Edit
Great information. As an owner of two dogs and a 19-year-old Devon Rex cat I applaud everyone who has worked so hard to get the real info; also my heart breaks for those who have lost beloved pets.
I would like to add a bit of a warning: I see people whose justified anger is making them become too extreme. I agree we should boycott Menu. However…most of us can’t realistically create totally wholesome food at home, especially for cats that are totally carnivorous and that also require taurine in certain special amounts in order to live.
I think we HAVE to agree to modify our current anger and take the realistic steps of:
1. Writing our legislators and signing petitions to them.
2. Boycotting Menu and its’ subsidiaries.
3. Find a good alternative food you can afford and that your pets can live with.
4. Spread the word as you are doing now while you are angry and hurt about pet abuse in the pet industry and the major question of why we are trading with China (NAFTA and WTA as someone already pointed out… THATS why the cheaper wheat in the US wasn’t used to begin with and instead we bought the Chinese wheat from a nation that eats dogs and cats instead of owning them as pets, that non-voluntarily aborts second children and uses slave labor to create those inexpensive items we buy at Walmart! THAT’S why the wheat came from China to begin with! Ever see the (I think it was a 60-minutes show) on how the Chinese government bought St Bernard Dogs to breed and then kill for extra protein in the Chinese diet? It’s a factory style slaughterhouse, similar to the way chickens, pigs, and cows are dealt with here.
5. Keep in mind this is the tip of the iceberg. Today pet food contamination, tomorrow, what are WE eating and feeding our children? Ever heard of hormones and antibiotics in chicken and cow feed? This results in the earlier and earlier onset of puberty in young girls. This connection between the hormones in the food of the cows and chickens leading to an earlier appearance of puberty has been shown. Also, the antibiotics in their food contributes to antibiotic resistance which means that the next time you get pneumonia, the antibiotic you’re given may not work for you.
6. Finally, keep a sense of proportion. Its one thing to boycott Menu and Wal-Mart (where almost every item is from China and they push out American competition) but lets keep in mind the good work Pet Smart does with finding homes for unwanted animals, free, at their stores, and in not selling pets at their stores, something that would surely earn them a great deal of money. They need support for this, not boycotting because they carried brand that they, like all of us a month ago, didn’t know were contaminated!
There is a saying: Act Locally and Think Globally. We are all in this together; it’s more than just our beloved pets!

Eskie Lover said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:09 pm · Edit
The best thing to do is to do your own research and find out what a dog truly needs and what a cat truly needs. From my background of researching cats need a high protein diet made of meat. They are strictly carnivores and do not do well on a vegetarian diet at all. Orijen Cat food has a good balanace of high protein and a good source of fat. Many people say it’s best to feed a cat a raw diet since that is the closest to nature. I agree that if I did own a cat I more than likely would be feeding the cat a raw diet and use kibble on the side. It’s just my opinion
March 30, 2007 @ 1:19 pm · Edit
I’ll start with a quote:
“Corn is nutritionally superior grain compared with others used in pet foods because it contains a balance of nutrients not found in other grains.” - Small Animal Clinical Nutrition 4th edition
Then some facts:
Ground Corn is 91% digestible.
Corn is one of the best sources known for linoleic acid.
Corn oil is one of the best sources of Omega 3 & 6 fatty acids including linoleic acid which is great for skin and coat and has been listed as one of the most essential nutrients for cats and dogs next to protein and fat.
Corn provides essential amino acids and fiber.
And finally, some myths:
Corn is indigestible! Not true, the outer shell of corn is impervious to stomach acids, but ground corn suffers no such shortcoming.
Corn is an allergen! The only proven way to find a food allergy is to remove your animal from all medication, feed whole, natural foods not usually eaten by that animal, then introduce foods back into the diet one by one. Even with this method, food allergies are extremely rare. Of 200 confirmed cases, corn caused only 3. Think about this… to even confirm an allergy is rare. Of the few cases confirmed only 1.5% resulted from corn. In a survey of veterinary dermatologists, corn was not listed among the ingredients most often suspected to cause food allergies.
The fact of the matter is we continue to use corn because there’s nothing better. I WISH THERE WAS! LOL, then we would take it out and replace it… but we’re not cowards and we won’t remove an ingredient we know to be highly valuable just beacuse misinformation has given it a bad rap. We would sell twice as much food tommorrow if we replaced it, but your animals would not be as healthy… we’ll wait back and fight the stigma until the tide swings back the way of truth.
If digestibility or allergies were not your concern about corn, please clarify and I’ll do my best to answer… Oh, and if it’s in reference to the contamination of Diamond Pet Food corn a while back that was killing pets, we use Human-Grade corn and it is not vulnerable to the fungus contamination that barely regulated pet-grade corn suppliers face because the FDA and USDA inspection is at a much higher standard.

Pat Dunlap said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:20 pm · Edit
I need to know which companies make their own at their own plant using all USA ingredients as well as… this is important… and has not been fully addressed for every company…
Bag their own.
Can their own.
i.e. Natural Balance on first blush I was ready to jump to BUT Diamond packages their dry food. Meets all the criteria except Diamond on the end product packaging.
I have determined that I will NO LONGER feed either of my dogs any canned food but will supplement with human food only.
I am still in the hunt dry food from a company that vertically DOES EVERYTHING in their own plants and can be accounted for and have been inspected by the USDA.

Robin said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:27 pm · Edit
OMG…all you “natural” pet food industry people are having a grand ol’ time with this recall. The sky is not falling…all other pet foods are not “bad”. Some pet foods are better for your pet then others but going “holistic” or “organic” is not going to make a whole heck of alot of difference. Most dogs will eat horse poop every meal if given it. My mom’s cat lived 18 years and ate Alley Cat and Friskies. I love my dog she IS my child. I am not going to risk her health but I am also not going to spend $30 on a bag of dog food if I get the results I want from a $15 bag.

Jaycee said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:31 pm · Edit
Petsmart and PetCo still sells rare birds and sometimes they are kept solitary. That is not how they live in the wild. I’ve heard they’ve been good at giving customer’s receipts and taking back recalled food, so that is a good sign. I still wish they would stop selling birds, though.

Jaycee said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:35 pm · Edit
That money you think you may save could very well be used for vet bills later on in life. With many organic pet foods, you feed less because more of it is absorbed. The end difference in cost amounts to pennies. Why not spend more on better food?

Interested Observer said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:40 pm · Edit
Too bad the WDJ doesn’t give that information out freely at a time like this when many consumers have a right to know and are desperately searching for some answers and better options to feed their pets. When searching for their list of approved pet foods, I ran across many internet sites who were publishing the information but were asked by WDJ to take it down because that information is for subscribers only. I was able to find one list on the net, but it was several years old. It really would be nice if, at this time, they openly discussed or printed out their current approved list of dog food for non-paying people to see. Perhaps that would increase readership in the long run? I respect their decision to not make that list available for free, but it would also be a respected and commended decision on their behalf if one didn’t have to suscribe in order to see this list of great food. (Beowolf, Innova, and Canidae have been on the list before, as well as California Naturals, so it is no surprise Back To Basics (Beowolf) recommends the Whole Dog Journal becuase they are on the list. I personally can’t say that there isn’t a little backrubbing involved in the above recommendation by Back To Basics). Yes, Beowolf and Back to Basics are something I would feed my pets, but it does seem like they are only recommending the WDJ as a resource for information when there are many other free places to find it.
How about recommending local independent shops? These places are where I learned much about commercial foods. There are also many free websites that allow you to make an informed decision on good dog foods and cat foods. All you have to do is search.
This news press are the same ones who are *still* saying 15 animals died in the recall. I, for one, haven’t trusted the media in a long time. This entire ordeal wreaks of the FDA, the government, big corporations doing everything they can to coverup what they don’t feel the people should know. All for the sake of the bottom line. I, for one, will not trust the media as my source of information.

Anna said,

March 30, 2007 @ 1:41 pm · Edit
Hi Michael,
My question about corn in cat food is in reference to the reports that I have read that cats do not need grains (corn in this case), i.e. carbohydrates in their diet which would be contradictory to the Back to Basics philosophy.
I am quite interested in your line and am comfy with the corn in dog food but just have this lingering question about corn and cats that I haven’t resolved in my mind yet.
Just one question about the dog food line though. You do not offer a dog food for older dogs. That surprised me. Is there any reason why? My dog is definitely in her senior years.
Thanks for participating in this blog. I just want to make sure I make a *good* decision this time. I got lucky with the Nutro products I have been using this time around and I want to take *luck* out of the equation so hopefully there won’t be a *next* time.
Anna
March 30, 2007 @ 1:49 pm · Edit
To Pat Dunlap:
We do not manufacture at our own facility because we simply cannot afford it, few pet foods could. Our food is however made COMPLETELY in that one facility, bagging included. Also, in the event of an incident where accountability were called into play, Back to Basics is soley responsible for it’s own product.
To Robin:
Quality does matter, as does keeping certain things out. For me personally, nothing points this out better than the documentary “Supersize Me” where that guy tries to live on McDonald’s for 30 days. This is synonomous with pet foods even so far as that it is their everyday diet. Scarier still is that a lot of what is in commercial pet foods wouldn’t even be allowed in McDonald’s. I’m not trying to change your mind if your food is not causing any problems, but while some smokers live to be 100, smoking is not good for you.
I am not a talking head. I represent Back to Basics but only because it has proven itself to me. I check facts, I need the truth. If I had learned half of what I know now and was working for one of these cheap, commercial pet foods, I’d quit in a second. But I don’t, I’m lucky to be involved in something that makes sense and that I proudly stand up for. I wouldn’t do this as a window salesman, I do this because I love my pets. There are things I am tempted to say here that I bite my tongue on because I chose the screenname “Back to Basics” and I don’t want to step out of line with the company… things that are true to me but that my boss wouldn’t like strictly in a business sense. In fact, who knows? If you see Mike Weed make an appearance soon… I’ll be a bit more uninhibited